Mama u carstvu testosterona...

[rucho]

zivahna djeca nista drugo...... ja jos ne znam na koga ce ovo nase.... ako bude kao ja e imat cu vam za pricati.... a ako bude na tatu onda ce vecinom baki dizati tlak kopajuci joj cvijece.......

[yra]

Uuuuaaaaaaaaa
I moji se stalno mlate...oni se ne koškaju, oni se mlate u pravom smislu te riječi.
Već sam luda od toga!

[rucho]

a sta bi vi..... mirne i necujne..... eeeee nemoze.....
kakve ste vi bile kao djeca...... ja sam bila jedinica pa mi kazu da bijah vrag sve do puberteta......... a onda otisla u drugu krajnost...... sad sam negdje na pola puta.......

sjetit cu se ja ovih svojih rjeci za koju godinu ali..... ma djeca moraju ispuhat sve to...... inace ce biti jaaaaako neuroticni kad odrastu..... daklem bolje nek se sad mlate manje boli....

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.... ma djeca moraju ispuhat sve to...... inace ce biti jaaaaako neuroticni kad odrastu.....

obzirom kaj su radili ovaj vikend lijepo je znati da to zapravo znaci kako nece biti neruoticni .
sve su frustracije iz sebe izbacili (i sa sebe , prica se odvija obavezno u potkosuljama i gacama ofkors, to smo zaljucili)

[rucho]

ja se uvijek sjetim jedne zgode od prije koju godinu..... isla sam u lagani obilazak trgovina ovdje i sad idem kroz jedan kao prolaz gledam izloge...... a iz suprotnog smjera stize vrtic od dvije tete i jato tintilinica se drzi za ruke...... samo su prolazili ali su se stakla od izloga tresla....... ..... tako da koliko god nas to frustriralo djeca su eto jednostavno duracell (znate ono "traje 7 puta duze od obicnih baterija")..... a tko je nama kriv sto smo stari iscrpljeni i ocemo mir......

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prosli tjedan imala sam doma akciju "Zbogom, oruzje" .
oduzela sam sinovima svu zivu artiljeriju (a napominjem da oni uopce nemaju ciljano kupljeno oruzje nego je sve nesto iz kucne radinosti - znaci, kuhace, puske od legokocaka, nekakve spuzvaste pistolje koji su davnih dana bili sastavni dio gusarskog kostima za maskare...)

ali, ne daju se oni
dodjem doma neki dan i nadjem ih medju hrpom papira i selotejpa. hihocu se , gledaju nesto na kompjuteru i trtljaju s tim papirima. i skrivaju mi ekran.
uglavnom, maleni sin pronasao strancie (zanimljivo - on je uvijek zacetnik ovakvih ideja, ne stariji, njega uopce ne zanima kompjuter, a ovaj i vraga nadje) na jubitou - kako napraviti pusku i pistolj od papira
evo, uzivajte:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5xmQRe5 ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHItHSSP6kA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx97qU1j ... re=channel

(poslikam kasnije njihove uradke, mislim, origami je nis, mala beba naspram ovog ) . i, ajd, mislim si, ako nista drugo, barem su se likovno izrazavali i nasli nacin kako se mirno zabaviti...

[podocnjaci forever]

Ajme imge, pa klinjo ti je legendaaaa!
Kakva glazba u pozadini, jao, odvalila sam totalno.

Čačkala sam ovih dana nešto po svojim školskim svaštarijama i našla ovaj tekstić svojedobno skinut s neta.
Ima zgodnih pointova, mada su tvoji dečki ipak posebna, naoružana subkategorija.
Podebljala sam ovo što je meni upalo u oko - borba za nadmoćnu poziciju pri hrvanju - jer moj sin to upravo tako radi, odn. uvijek voli demonstrirati svoju nadmoć ako pobijedi u hrvanju, kako kakav gorilica, samo što se ne počne lupati po prsima.
I ona opaska o igranju borbe kao sredstvu socijalizacije među vršnjacima.
Kakav je to u stvari atavizam... ko u doba pećinskih ljudi...

On the Child’s Right to Play Fight
Publié le 1 septembre, 2008 | Pas de commentaires
Par Biru Zhou

Play fighting is very common in young children and research suggests there might even be benefits to play fighting for early child development. Even though play fighting resembles real fighting and its roughness is often perceived by adults as problematic, recent findings have us to reconsider whether it is really as bad as it may seem.
When we were young, we spent significant amount of time playing whenever and whatever we could. However, why do we need teachers’ and ancillary staff’s supervision while playing in the school playground? Is playing becoming dangerous? Or, is it that adults perceive child’s play differently ?

Play fighting is a dimension of social play that resembles real fighting, but differs in its intensity and tenor. It has been widely studied both in human and animal species (1, 2). The most common form of play in animals is play fighting (3). Even in humans, young children spend 5% to 10% of their total play time engaging in such an activity (4). It appears as early as toddlerhood, then ceases during adolescence (2).
Play fighting behaviours in children generally involve pouncing, pushing, swatting, kicking, holding, pulling, wrestling, pinning, tripping, tackling and chasing (2). Dr. Owen F. Aldis, a behavioural psychologist, identified the two most prevalent forms of play fighting in children: wrestling for superior position and fragmentary wrestling (5). During wrestling for superior position, one child makes strenuous effort to get on top or hold down another child. During fragmentary wrestling, pushing, pulling and grapping predominate, but there is no attempt by either child to achieve superior position. Though play fighting in children resembles aggression, it lacks the intensity of earnest fighting.

During the play episodes, the attacking child might put himself or herself in a vulnerable position leading to a role reversal that allows the initial defending child to commence a counterattack. This is called self-handicapping. Throughout the bouts of play, the roles of attacker and defender alternate frequently. However, role reversal and self-handicapping are rarely seen during real fighting. Another observable distinction between play and real fighting in children is the positive affect (e.g., smiling and laughing) exhibited by players during the former.

Functions of Play FightingMany possible functions of play fighting in children have been discussed in the literature (2). Some researchers propose that play fighting in children might be beneficial for motor skill training (2, 5). Other researchers suggest its important function is in children’s socialization with peers. Thomas Power is a leading expert on children’s and animals’ play behaviours, and in his review on functions of play fighting, he points out that it could establish and reaffirm social relationships with peers (2). He also indicates that play fighting could facilitate social communication and develop negotiation and conflict resolution skills because of the constant episodes of role reversal and self handicapping during the ritual. Furthermore, Pelligrini’s study on this subject also suggests that children’s play fighting behaviours are positively associated with their social problem solving skills (6). Thus, accompanied with smiling and laughing, this ritual provides opportunities for children not only to improve their motor skills, but also to develop much needed communication skills with peers.

Perceptions of Play Fighting Behaviours
In the eyes of scientists, the above findings reveal that play fighting could benefit the development of children in their everyday interactions with peers. In various qualitative studies, positive affect and fun are the key descriptors rated by children (7). While children consider play fighting to be a fun and beneficial activity, teachers have a very different view on the matter. In a study that interviewed both teachers and students about their perceptions of play fighting, many teachers viewed it in a negative way (8). More than one-third of the teachers saw no benefit at all in it and only 19% considered it might provide a useful experience. Nearly half of the teachers reported that they had difficulties in distinguishing play from real serious fighting.

Conceivably, it is the confusion between the two, and their potential costs of (e.g., injuries) that lead to teachers’ difficulties in recognizing the potential benefits of play fighting. However, teachers’ concern for the safety issues is not supported by observational studies. Thomas Reed conducted a field study on seven boys’ play fighting behaviours over a five-day period (7). He found that the concern from teachers about the roughness and potential injuries in play fighting was not supported by his data. In the 119 episodes identified, only one real injury occurred and this injury was not caused by the roughness of the play or by the aggressiveness of the players. The child accidentally twisted his ankle while running, and interestingly, “false injuries” such as this were often followed by caring expressions among players. For example, if one player fell down accidentally during the play, the other players would show immediate care (e.g., helped the player to get up) toward the “falsely injured” player. In reality, play fighting seems to be a low risk activity and the caring expressions exhibited among players during “false injury” incidents could in fact promote positive interactions among them.A more recent study by Pam Jarvis provides another possible explanation for teachers’ misconception on children’s rough and tumble play (9). Teachers reported during interviews that they were preoccupied by various problematic situations on the playground. They barely had time to notice what exactly children were playing. Their focus was on solving and preventing problems. Hence, the roughness of play is perceived by teachers and playground supervisors as potential problems. However, the potential benefits, such as conflict resolution training and motor skills training, are overlooked by many teachers.

It appears that play fighting could be beneficial for fine tuning motor skills and for facilitating communication and problem solving skills among peers. However, the misperceptions of play fighting from teachers’ reports should be taken into serious consideration in policy making. Mere suppression of play fighting in schools will not yield favourable outcomes. Being overly concerned with any signs of physical play in the playground will not help teachers and supervisors to prevent playground aggression and victimization. Basic trainings on play fighting behaviours for teachers should improve their ability to distinguish real fighting from play in order to properly and efficiently prevent aggression. Moreover, most of the research on the matter has been conducted in school playgrounds. Limited research was done examining play fighting between parents and children or among siblings. Future research should also investigate the perception of play fighting from the view point of parents and siblings.

[Imge]

podocnjaci, odlican tekst

djelomicno mi je i odgovorio na pitanje koji su tocno ciljevi ove faze.
zvuci mi logicno (ali naporno i iscprljujuce za roditelje ) , posebno ovaj dio o tome da kroz ovu fazu djeca(ci) razvijaju umijece pregovaranja, uce rješavati sukobe, olaksavaju socijalizaciju i svakodnevnu interakciju s vršnjacima.
recimo da mi hoda i ovo objasnjenje o razvijanju motoričkih sposobnosti...


nego, dobar ovaj tvoj tip o atavizmu i gorilama koje se udaraju u prsa
(inace, zanimljivo je da moje decke uopce ne interesira tucnjava u razredu, u skoli, tu nikad nisam dobila primjedbu od uciteljica (i bolje ). zanima ih samo ovaj vecernji bratski fajt i izbacivanje muskih hormona)

[korny]

Imge, potpis.
S time da kod nas nije baš bratska tučnjava u pravom smislu, nego simulacije tučnjava i ratovanja, skakanja po krevetima kao po trampolinu, penjanje po štokovima (dovratcima) vrata (da da, to je M-u zimska sprava za vježbanje ), gađanje jastucima prije spavanja itd...itd....
Oću ćer......

[Imge]

a evo da malo pokazem o cemu pricam (glede opsesije pistoljima i puskama).
artiljeriju oduzimam u trenutku kad to sve skupa prijedje granicu, inace mi se cini kontraproduktivno . sto bi im vise branila - vise bi ih to interesiralo. zato trpim i cekam da ih ova faza prodje

dakle, prvo - vide se spuzvasti pistolji koji su sastavni dio maske Pirati s Kariba (nosili tu masku u vrticu s 3 i 5 godina , hej, s 3 i 5 godina , pa kaubojski pistolji s placa koje su nazicali od dide i bake ovo ljeto, onda pistolj na vodu (to su prosvercali kad smo se pakirali i vracali s ljetovanja), "origami" pistolj od papira i na kraju mitraljez od ne znam kak se tocno zovu elemenata-kockica:


a ovo, majketi, masterpis (kaj je najbolje, pistolj stvarno skljocne kad okine i moze ispaljivati "metke" napravljene od aluminijske folije)

napravljen je od legokocaka (to klinci skidaju s ovakvih stranica na youtubeu). meni ej muzika najjaca , a vidim da je i pf slicno primijetila:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6wXgxLuuOk

za kraj, evo i mojih injezenjera . na kruh bi ih mogo namazat kako djeluju nevino...
zacetnik svih ideja je stariji, a manji, "milo dijete", ga slijedi u stopu. on je zaduzen za surfanje po kompu i trazenje stranica. a zajedno obavljaju slaganje lego kocikica i opcenito inzenjerski dio
http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/5546/p8290336.jpg

da se vratim na boksanje, koskanje i fajtanje - UVIJEK to krene ovako kao na slici. prvo se zagrle, a onda jedan malo jace stegne drugog, pa mu ovaj vrati. pa prvi vrati, pa drugi... aaaaaaaaa . ali se ne micu jedan od drugog...

mantram - jos samo 3-4 godine, jos samo 3-4 godine i proci ce ih

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i, idem sad citat malo onaj topic o princezama i djevojcicama
naporno je ovo, brate

[happy071]

Meni je puna kapa tih muskih fazona. Prije par dana hoce stariji da vjezba, da dize tegove, da bude najjaci I naravno mm, koji u pojedinim momentima kao da nije ni dana stariji od njih dvojice, trzne neke male tegove i oni kao vjezbaju. Ja sam u drugoj sobi i cujem da mladji insistira da hoce i on, u sljedecem momentu urik i plac. Sta je bilo? Mali je uzeo drsku od tega (onaj dio sto se drzi u ruci, a sa strane redas plocice), legao na pod (po uzoru na starijeg brata) i bacio to cudo u vazduh. Naknadno smo saznali da je plan bio da uhvati doticnu stvar Medjutim, pomenuti predmet je aterirao junioru na celo i napravio mu jedan impresivan rog Strah me je i pomisliti sta bi bilo da mu je to palo na nos ili oko. Guta na celu je stvarno bila monstruozna ali nakon obloga lijepo se to povuklo. Sada hoda okolo sa modricom na celu i mlati se sa bratom. Nadam se da smo gotovi makar sa tegovima

[korny]

Imge, dobro si me nasmijala ovim fotkama. Moji baš ne prave pištolje, više su u hrvačkoj fazi (nešto poput full contacta )

[podocnjaci forever]

imgina djeco - respect!
Ova zadnja pucalica za koju kažeš da stvarno okida - stvarno masterpis...

mantram - jos samo 3-4 godine, jos samo 3-4 godine i proci ce ih

Neki dan moj sinak (5, 5 godina) i ja kod susjeda, njihov najstariji sin upravo napunio 18; pijemo komšinica i ja kavu, a sinak uokolo vodi neke borbe svojim Gormitima... majke mi, al majke mi, ovaj susjedov sin je čačkao po fejsu, al oko mu je stalno bježalo na igru mog sinka, onak, baš iz znatiželje, samo što nije tipkovnicu ispustio i zalegao na pod u osvajanje otoka Gorma...

Inače, tvoje dečke se tako rijetko vidi, pa ne znam jesam li ih ikada vidjela onak frontalno, detaljno, zapravo... prekrasni su inženjeri, prekrasni....

[tanjabb]

cujem ja danas ujutro neke borbene zvukove iz Lukasove sobe, otvorim vrata, kad li on (skoro 7 godina) i veliki brat mu (skoro 13) goli do struka, u hlacama, razvaljuju jedan drugoga .

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.. majke mi, al majke mi, ovaj susjedov sin je čačkao po fejsu, al oko mu je stalno bježalo na igru mog sinka, onak, baš iz znatiželje, samo što nije tipkovnicu ispustio i zalegao na pod u osvajanje otoka Gorma...

a jesi me nasmijala . ma, tocno znam o cemu pricas . identicno je kod nas kad odju mm-ovi necaci koji su vec na faksu, ali, nema njima do hrvanja s klincadijom

nego, razmisljam da su mi ove faze najnapornije sad kad je kisno vrijeme, inace ih valjda toliko ne primjecujem. dosadi i klincima ova kisa i ruzno vrijeme svaki vikend. ne mogu u park i sumu pa divljaju po kuci, a sta ce ...

i jos - razmisljam kako mi ova faza zapravo potiho govori kako mi klinci vise nisu maze i kako nisu vise mali. to su vec pravi decki koji se sami znaju zabaviti... i sve manje ih zanimaju njeznosti, mamino znjaranje i ljubakanje . svoju potrebu za fizickim dodirom sve vise zadovljavaju na ove "muske"nacine

eh, da, pf - hvala na komplimentu za inzenjere . trazila sam bas sliku koja bi zorno pokazala "braceke" (tak ih odmilja zovemo jer su stalno zagrljeni i hodaju ko priljepci) pa mi se ova morska ucinila zgodna, a, opet, ne otkriva previse njihova lica...

[rucho]

.. majke mi, al majke mi, ovaj susjedov sin je čačkao po fejsu, al oko mu je stalno bježalo na igru mog sinka, onak, baš iz znatiželje, samo što nije tipkovnicu ispustio i zalegao na pod u osvajanje otoka Gorma...

a jesi me nasmijala . ma, tocno znam o cemu pricas . identicno je kod nas kad odju mm-ovi necaci koji su vec na faksu, ali, nema njima do hrvanja s klincadijom

dobro je dok su necaci i susjedini sinovi...... imam ja zrele momke vec odrasle neki i ozenjeni (mislim ne ja vec ih poznajem a jedan mi je i muz).... ali kad su "ulicne" borbe s liliputima u pitanju.... ..... ma kazem vam mame.... vise je nama problem jer stalno strepimo zbog onakvih situacija kao kvrga na celu..... a njima je to tako normalno..... ma ja sam vec oguglala...... kad vec starom konju nemozes nesto dokazat .......

[ronin]

Prijavak. Ista stvar. Nema nikakve pucacine, to im nije napeto, ali sve moguce druge vrste natezanja uz glasan smijeh je obavezno. Naravno uz moje - samo divljajte, al nemojte se meni doc plakat ako/kad jedan drugog jace zvekne. Zapravo me sve to smeta upravo radi tog iscekivanja kad ce jedan zaurlikat jer je drugi slucajno jace potegnuo/gurnuo/zamahnuo votever

potpisujem i nadodajem da svaki,ali svaki božji dan perem WC i pločice oko njega

[An]

Ronin, a zasto to ti radis?

Moji svaki dan, ili po potrebi, sve to isto rade sami. Spricalicu u ruke, papir i obrisi za sobom misko. Jednako jedanaestogodisnjak, devetogodisnjak i petogodisnjak.

Jednogodisnjaka jos micemo ali on bi, ruku na srce, radije od svih to napravio i bez potrebe, i to rukama i jezikom

[rucho]

Ronin, a zasto to ti radis?

Moji svaki dan, ili po potrebi, sve to isto rade sami. Spricalicu u ruke, papir i obrisi za sobom misko. Jednako jedanaestogodisnjak, devetogodisnjak i petogodisnjak.

Jednogodisnjaka jos micemo ali on bi, ruku na srce, radije od svih to napravio i bez potrebe, i to rukama i jezikom